Yofi:
accinca:
Das ist Unsinn. Oder glaubst du es gibt einen Körper oder irgend etwas in der Welt jenseits seiner Merkmale?
Was Merkmale besitzt, ist ein Phänomen. Wir nehmen die Eigenschaften auch getrennt wahr indem wir sie verallgemeinern. Das geschieht auch in der Meditation auf Vergänglichkeit bzw. Leerheit, dann wird die Gesamtheit der Phänomene vielleicht am Rande wahrgenommen, ist aber kein Meditationsobjekt.
Richtig oder falsch?
Yofi
Ich weiß nicht was du da redest. Im vipassana gibt es bei rupa die folgenden Phänomene und was betrachtet werden sollte. Wenn du beginnst zu denken kommst du von dem inneren Prozess die Vergänglichkeit auf tieferer Ebene sehen zu können weg.
There are not only mental phenomena, there are also physical phenomena. Physical phenomena (rupa) are the third paramattha dhamma. There are altogether twenty-eight classes of rupa. There are four principal rupas or 'Great Elements', in Pali: maha-bhuta-rupa. They are:
1. 'Element of Earth' or solidity (to be experienced as hardness or softness)
2. 'Element of Water' or cohesion
3. 'Element of Fire' or temperature (to be experienced as heat or cold)
4. 'Element of Wind' or motion (to be experienced as motion or pressure)
These 'Great Elements' arise together with all the other kinds of rupa, in Pali: upada-rupa. Rupas never arise alone. They arise in 'groups' or 'units'. There have to be at least eight kinds of rupa arising together. For example, whenever the rupa which is temperature arises, solidity, cohesion, motion and other rupas arise as well. Upada-rupas are, for examples, the physical sense-organs of eye-sense, ear-sense, smelling-sense, tasting-sense and body-sense, and the sense-objects of visible object, sound, odour and flavour.
Different characteristics of rupa can be experienced through eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body-sense and mind. These characteristics are real since they can be experienced. We use conventional terms such as 'body' and 'table'; both have the characteristic of hardness which can be experienced through touch. In this way we can prove that the characteristic of hardness is the same, no matter whether it is in the body or in the table. Hardness is a paramattha dhamma; 'body' and 'table' are not paramattha dhammas but only concepts. We take it for granted that the body stays and we take it for self, but what we call 'body' are only different rupas arising and falling away. The conventional term 'body' may delude us about reality. We will know the truth if we learn to experience different characteristics of rupa when they appear.